#62 – How Does Barrel Length on a Shotgun Affect Velocity? 4 Posts . Water was pouring out of me like a waterfall. These chokes allow different pattern densities for different types of game or targets. Cylinder (also called Open Bore, no restriction) The choke tubes included in this set are a modified choke tube, an improved cylinder choke tube, and a full choke tube. The users are fond of speedy transactions. Full choke @ 12 metres. I think the load had 16 or 18 pellets in it. IME in 12 Gauge 3 inch and 3.5 inch Tri-Ball Buckshot rules the roost. If you want to use any other rounds get a non rifles barrel threaded for a choke. your test on 12 ga im cyl,and full choke was the answer for me.im new to buckshot,and chokes.this was the answer for me.thank you. #131 - Product Comparison - Keltec P-3AT Vs. 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Discussion Starter • #1 • Jun 30, 2017. recently 3 1/2 inch 00 buck extra full turkey choke. #163 - The Kahntrol Solutions Muzzle Brakes, #165 - The Accuracy International AE With Kahntrol Muzzle Brake, #166 - Being Honest About a Rifle and Shooter's Ability, #167 - The Savage 12 F/TR Target Rifle in .308, #168 - Cooper's First Birthday and His First Rifle, #170 - Testing Aguila .22 Competition Ammo, #171 - Product Evaluation - The SCCY 9mm Pistol, #172 – Product Evaluation – Falcon Bullet Company, FalCoated Bullets, #173 – Product Evaluation – Ruger PC Carbines, #179 – Greek .303 British Military Surplus Ammo, #181 – Product Evaluation – A Rifle Brake for 3gun Nation Competition Guidelines, #184 - Product Evaluation - Browning FN Hi Power Pistol, #185 - The Zastava CZ999 Compact 9mm Pistol – Image Heavy, #186 - Battleship Game with .22 Rifles - Lots of Pictures, #187 - The LaRue MBT Meticulously Built Trigger. I don't believe that to be true, but still follow Remington's recommendation and shoot slugs through improved and open cylinders. 00 buckshot is exactly that,buckshot. Therefore it can be shot from any choke you prefer depending on what it is you are using it for. By the way, it was about 100 degrees down here in sunny Texas today. As Clint Smith says, “Every round that goes down range has a lawyer tied to it.”. For instance, when shooting birdshot at birds in flight, it can be helpful to have a slightly larger pattern diameter to help the shooter hit a flying bird. Federal Premium Vital-Shok Buckshot. Your steel rated full choke should be about a modified choke for lead. Now my 12 gauge 3" magnum buffered 00 buckshot shell can bring down Coyotes & Feral Hogs at 60 yards very tight pattern. I think Browning sells one with choke tubes and one model of the 9410 Win. TacticalDesire , Apr 27, 2016 We will shoot several different buckshot loads through an Improved Cylinder Choke and then through a Full Choke, and see what happens to the size of the patterns. Improved Cylinder Slugs can be fired through a full choke and people have for decades and decades without issue. I would not shoot buckshot through a full choke. In this video I test the theory I've heard all my life, "with buckshot, you cant use a tight choke or your pellets will deform and scatter". Three quarter choke @ 12 metres. In SC we still hunt (and hopefully continue to) deer with dogs. The Flight Control Wad is well known for giving very tight patterns in most shotguns. They were a bitch to make but at 40 yes it would put 9 pellets into a 12″ circle with the rest going into a 30″ circle. The first thing to do is pattern the buckshot with each choke at the same distance, 12 metres is a good range to start the process as the pattern has some time to spread out: Cylinder choke @ 12 metres. The chokes work as expected - at least with #4 buckshot in my gun. The chokes are easy to change in this shotgun. This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty. Today, we will try to find out. #14 - The Shiloh Sharps .45-70 Long Range Exp. If you're looking for extended range out of buckshot, ammo selection is your best bet. Smaller shot is relatively easily constricted - much more difficult as it increases in size. for 20 plus years 00buck and 000 bock 2 3/4 inch unsure what choke. © 2017 Carbon Media Group Outdoors I ordered this book from him and loaded up some 12 gauge #1 buck loads. All Posts ; Authors ; Articles & Podcasts ; ... Full.Lead.Taco. It fits all Remington shotguns with the same thread size, a pitch and 12 gauge. 619 Posts . Some folks have theorized, “If I want a tighter pattern with buckshot, I will use a tighter choke.” Others have said, “If you use a tighter choke, it will only crush the buckshot and cause even wider patterns.” Which is correct? Buck kicker chokes are recommended for … If any buckshot miss the target, they can penetrate several walls and can endanger family members or others. We are responsible for every projectile that goes down range. . choke and the Mossberg 410 Slugster is cyl. If you are the type of hunter who likes to vary or change up your pellet sizes choose the X Full for best all around performance. We will shoot several different buckshot loads through an Improved Cylinder Choke and then through a Full Choke, and see what happens to the size of the patterns. Can you safely shoot 12 gauge 000 lead buckshot through a full or extra full choke? With the addition of more zeroes, the size goes up. But heavy buckshot loads will kick no matter what you shoot them through. #152 - Does Polishing Media in Flash Holes Affect Accuracy? I grew up hunting in the jungles with dogs chasing deer or pigs,and still hunting in jungles.all we could really use was the ole scatter guns.all my buds had remington M-11s,1100s plenty of winchester M-12s and some 1200s all were 2 3/4" and all were full choked.when I started hunting with the club I was using a win M-12 20 ga. For 000 and 00 buck, we recommend the X Full. A set this size will evade penalties. If you want tight patterns, it is important to buy a few different brands and shoot them in your shotgun to find which one patterns best for you. We will be shooting at 10 yards (30 feet) which is about as far as most of us can shoot inside a normal home. As a rule of thumb a cylinder bore choke will give about 1" of pattern spread for every yard of range from the muzzle. The idea that buckshot shoots tighter groups through a choke with less constriction does not appear to hold true. Deer open cylinder,improved cylinder for ranges under 40 yards. Sluggers for mine and a box of Winchester #6. Full chokes and steel shot don’t mix, except when they do. I would say probably not, although it would not be the best choice. "Nobody wants to be here and nobody wants to leave.". Go with Federal loads using the Flitecontrol wads. I usually shoot a full choke with Federal Vital Shok 00 3.5", i was just wondering if anyone had good results shooting buckshot out of a turkey choke… At the very least pattern different slugs through your barrel, you'll find one your barrel seems to prefer most likely. it has also been my experience that modified choke provides better patterns for buck. Buffalo's Outdoors - What happens when you shoot buckshot through a rifled choke tube? I've found that the 00 buck patterns tighter than the 000 and the 00 Tactical (reduced recoil) loads do much better than the full-power loads. #191 - Is the Glock 19 the Best Concealed Carry Piece? #156 - The M-1 Carbine Is Not Accurate At 100 Yards, #157 - A Super Accurate .22 Rifle, The Savage Mark II BSEV, #159 - The 2013 NRA Annual Meeting in Houston, #160 - Product Evaluation - The MagnetoSpeed Chronograph, #161 - Using Full Wadcutters for Better Scoring in Target Competition. Not much difference, but slightly smaller group with the Full Choke. RSO, Pistol & Shotgun Instructor, To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them. There is a handy little choke wrench that you use to unscrew the choke and screw in another one. There is not much benefit to shooting expensive saboted slugs through an unrifled barrel either. #162 - Do You Really Save Money By Reloading Ammunition? In an OU you are complicating the issue due to barrel soldering, regulation, etc. It has a 21 inch barrel, but most importantly, it has interchangeable chokes that will allow us to try the same buckshot loads with different choke sizes. What is the best choke for #4 buckshot? Login with username, password and session length. - A Serious Discussion, #144 - Product Evaluation - The James River Armory 1903-A3, #145 - Product Evaluation - The Taurus PT 738 TCP .380 Semi Auto Pistol, #146 - The S&W Model 25-2, .45 ACP Revolver, #148 - Product Evaluation - Trulock Shotgun Choke Tubes, #149 - Reloading Inexpensive Frangible Bullets, #150 - Solving a 9mm FMJ Reloading Mystery, #151 - Building an Affordable, Accurate Rifle. . We tested 12 gauge shotshells utilizing #4, #1 and 00 buckshot (both plated and unplated) to determine the maximum effective range of each type of shotshell when shot through a practical 12 gauge shotgun with cylinder choke. 1. 00 Buck through full, modified, improved cylinder and cylinder bore. This load has 9 pellets, with no shot cup or buffer material. Modified The actual diameter of the various buck shot pellets are: Buckshot Size Diameter (in inches) With the right combination of choke and shot size, buck kicker produces a consistent 20 - 22" pattern at 40 yards with effective patterns out to 60 yards. The Box O' Truth #2, #28 - Cowboy Pistols and The Box O' Truth, #32 - Dum-Dum Bullets and the Box O'Truth, #35 - A Load of Dimes Vs. 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All other chokes seem to strip the wad (to some extent) from the pellets, thus negating the high tech purpose of the wad. I rolled Coyotes & Feral Hogs 12 pellets of the 15 pellets hit at 60 yards with this choke installed it increased accuracy & distance and tightened the pattern stretched a normal 40-yard shot with the factory full choke tube to 60 yards with this new buckshot choke installed. The choke works very well for a full style choke for buckshot. Choke size to accomidate the yardage of intended usage. In some cases the Full choke tightened up the groups slightly, but not as much as one might expect. The IC pattern was 7 inches wide and the Full was 6 inches wide. If you over choke buckshot the incompressible nature of the balls in a column will lead to flat sports being rubbed onto the outside edges of the ball. Your input would be helpful. So #0 Buck is larger than #1, but #00 is bigger than #0, and #000 is the largest of all. What if any problems will I have shooting buckshot/slugs through my 870, 30", full choke? This will make flyers more likely. For smaller shot sizes like #1 and #4 buck, we recommend the XX Full. Your email address will not be published. Full and steel damage barrels, except when they don’t. I have an 870 rifled replacement barrel. As long as the slug is soft lead and the gun is in good condition, I don't expect that it'll be a problem for short term. Does it need a choke? Hey everyone, Is it considered safe/optimal to run 00 buck through a full choke or modified choke? Then again that may be because they shoot it through open chokes. The theory that an open choke is best for big buck shot is one I have long disagreed with. Wouldn't you be better off using slugs instead of Buck Shot? The IC was an 8 ½ inch pattern and the Full Choke was a 7 inch pattern. bore. Full Choke creates a tighter pattern. You can shoot lead number 4 buckshot through a Full or Modified chokes that are rated for lead. wow it reaches out. The chokes are easy to change in this shotgun. The choke is considered to be full. Never had buckshot pattern that tight. Lastly, let’s try some Federal Premium, 9 pellet, 00 Buck, with the excellent Flight Control Wad. #155 - Tissue Paper Covered Flash Holes – Does It Matter? Now let’s try some Remington Low recoil, 8 pellet, 00 Buck. Even if you don’t bell a barrel or split the rib soldering, really large shot typically responds best to less constriction. Squeezing the slug through too much choke probably deforms it and affects accuracy. Today I will be using my Remington Special Field 1100 shotgun. #196 - Can You Improve the Ammo for the Mosin 91/30? There is a handy little choke wrench that you use to unscrew the choke and screw in another one. While performing well with all types of buckshot, copper plated pellets will deliver the best results. 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I am wondering what the best choke to use for 00 buckshot on deer is. Quarter choke @ 12 metres. Buffalo's Outdoors - What happens when you shoot buckshot through a rifled choke tube? With slugs, get a dedicated slug barrel if you plan on shooting them a lot. The Federal Flight Control Wads worked as expected, resulting in very tight patterns. Our buckshot chokes are recommended based on the pellet size that you wish to use. I swear, I could see daylight through a broadside coyote's chest at 45 yards one day. has choke tubes. As you fire slugs through the more full chokes, with repeated use you will open the choke too much and change the nature of the choke. CZ 457 VARMINT MTR .22LR with WOLF MATCH EXTRA @ 50 yards. Page created in 0.158 seconds with 29 queries. keep it real. This spread allows 7/8 alphas on every shot on the A4 IPS target at 20m along with well-centered gunshots. Buckshot better work in a full choke because I've shot hundreds of rounds of #4 buck through my 870 Rem with a fixed full choke. Our questions today is: How do chokes effect buckshot? Full chokes and steel produce blown patterns, except when they don’t. And a special thanks to my buddy Vern for the photo help. Buckshot should also be shot through open or improved cylinders, as the constriction of too much choke is said to deform the pellets and lengthen the shot stream, causing pellets to "rattle" out of the bore and resulting in less than desirable shot patterns. Remington suggests an improved cylinder choke for foster type slugs, and there are some who believe you will "iron out" your choke if you shoot them through a tighter choke. The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Actually, most in-home encounters will usually be at closer distances than this. The extension is about one inch out of the barrel. Do Not Sell My Data 12 BBs went through his chest. Both in 2 1/2". #60 – Does a Long Shotgun Barrel Tighten the Pattern? That means “#4 Buck” is the smallest buckshot and “#1 Buck” is the largest – until you get to the oughts. The choke restriction won’t make any difference on recoil. #62 – The Box O’ Truth – Will a Better Target Improve Accuracy with Iron Sights? Full Help support WeTheArmed.com by visiting our sponsors. Why is this? It has caused no ill effect on my choke but it has sure decimated a lot of coyotes and geese. Extra Full. There isn't a man on earth that can take a load of 00 buck at 30 yards and survive. The ammunition used makes more of a difference than the choke … Manage Consent, #4 - Miscellaneous Rounds Meet the Box O’ Truth, #6 - Ballistic Resistant Glass Gets Tested, #19 - The Water Box O' Truth Part 3: Rifle Rounds, #23 - ExtremeShock Ammo and the Box O' Truth, #27 - Little Guns vs. ... i have always shot winchester. That is an amazingly tight group with either choke. First, let’s try some Wolf 00 Buckshot. In my own testing with the Federal Flite Control buckshot loads, I’ve experienced the best (by far) results with a cylinder bore choke on two different shotguns. The IC was a 4 inch group and the Full was a 4 1/2 inch group. #130 - Does Cleaning a .22 Rimfire Rifle Barrel Hurt Accuracy? Rifled slugs can be designed to deform through the narrower choke, but will lose both power and accuracy relative to a cylinder or improved cylinder choke. 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The IC was 3 ¼ inches and the Full was 1 ¾ inches. Video the hunt. In my experience buckshot No 1’s, No 4’s and OO pattern pretty good with a full choke...and even better with a 2X full Comp - N - Choke. Discussion Starter • #1 • Feb 17, 2017. Yes, buckshot as well as slugs are fine. NRA Cert. Even though legal to use a rifle most clubs only allow shotguns on dog drives. Buckshot should also be shot through open or improved cylinders, as the constriction of too much choke is said to deform the pellets and lengthen the shot stream, causing pellets to "rattle" out of the bore and resulting in less than desirable shot patterns. The Rossi ss is Mod. Those are the ones I know of, but mostly, just full chokes. These chokes are the most common ones, from the largest to the tightest. 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Tom Roster used to publish a book on buckshot loads. Shotgun barrels have the last few inches of the barrel sized in various diameters to allow the shotgunner to choose a choke, or restriction, which will cause the shot to spread to a desired amount. Even when it’s 100 degrees outside, it’s still fun to shoot stuff. #153 - How to Develop Accurate Target Loads for a Rifle. I am rather ignorant about chokes. When using buckshot in home defense, we actually do not want a large diameter spread. It is because we want every buckshot to hit the bad guy so none of them miss. This choke is machined out of 17-4 heat treated material. I've read where people say they shoot 00 Buck using Full Choke and never had problems. #5 - Solving Accuracy Problems with Handloading. Tightest groups came with the full choke. Not really any appreciable difference, but both were very tight patterns, just as expected.
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